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Message par Lady of the Tardis Sam 3 Jan - 13:03

Comme pour la saison 1, The Tudors,
bien que suivant assez bien la chronologie originelle,
a dû prendre certaines libertées afin de faire tenir les
38 années du règne d'Henry VIII dans 5 saisons de 10 épisodes
.



Une historienne spécialiste de cette époque en a fait une analyse
pour The Guardian où elle relève les incohérences, pas tant au niveau des faits
mais plutôt au niveau des mœurs, des costumes, et des péripéties
de certains personnages, loin d’être avérés.



Voici quelques différences, certaines très "légères"
d'autres plus "problématiques"


source : site officiel de "The Tudors" sur Showtime
(traduction + compléments iconographiques : Moi)


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Message par Lady of the Tardis Sam 3 Jan - 13:08

Traduction et
recherche de photos
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Princess Mary Tudor has dark hair.

Mary's natural hair color was actually red like her father and mother, although she dyed her hair various colors during her adult years.



Charles Brandon marries his 17 year-old ward, Catherine Brooke. Episode # 2:1

Charles married his fourth wife Catherine Willoughby in 1534 (after Anne Boleyn's coronation), she was 15 at the time and Charles was 50. Charles probably married Catherine for her income of 15,000 ducats a year than out of love.



Margaret, Sir Thomas More's eldest daughter, is depicted as a teenager in season one, and in her mid to early twenties in season two.

Margaret More (1505 - 1544) would have been in her late twenties during the time season one took place, and in her early thirties in season two. Additionally, Margaret was married to William Roper in 1521.



Pope Paul III has been elected at the beginning of season two, and suggests the benefit of arranging the assassination of Anne Boleyn. Episode: 2.1

Pope Paul III was elected October 13, 1534 (after Anne Boleyn's coronation). There no historical basis for an assassination attempt against Anne Boleyn, much less one arranged by the Vatican or Charles V (though they certainly wouldn't have been sorry to see her go if it had happened that way).



The violin solo in episode 2, season 2

The actor was not using a strong enough bow to produce much sound- baroque and pre-baroque instruments required a fast-pulled bow, as well as slightly stronger pressure, for higher dynamics. The actor was also not using the right fingerings. Nor the accurate shoulder placement for pre-baroque playing.



Lady Margaret Bryan introduces herself to Lady Mary Tudor as if they had never met before. Episode # 2.4

Lady Margaret Bryan was well acquainted with Lady Mary since she served Mary before as her governess. In fact, Lady Bryan helped raise all three of Henry VIII's royal children and was awarded the title of Baroness for her troubles.



Thomas Cromwell shows a wide eyed George Boleyn a machine "it's called a printing press, my lord. And it will change the world." Episode #2:6

The printing press had been introduced to England by William Caxton in 1476, since then hundreds of printed books and documents had been circulating through out England. George Boleyn would have been aware of what a printing press was and its significance to the Reformation, even if he hadn't before seen one.



Henry Norris speaks to the King about his interest in Madge Sheldon Episode # 2:6

In actual fact it was Francis Weston who was rumoured to be having an affair with Mary Shelton (called Madge in the series). She is often confused with her sister Margaret "Madge" Shelton, but it is now clear that it was Mary who was Henry's mistress and who was rumored to become his fourth wife. The confusion arose from the label "Marg Shelton", where the y looked like a g - a common confusion in sixteenth-century writing. The assumption of madge being overweight is fiction as the portrait clearly displays.



When Anne is having a party in her room, the Henry comes in and tells the musicians to play a Volta.Episode #2:6

The musicians actually play the piece "Como Poden Per Sas Culpas", written by King Alfonso X of Spain, out of a collection of songs in honor of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The reformer king and queen are actually dancing to a song in honor of a Catholic saint. While the tune isn't anachronistic (Kind Alfonso lived in the 13th century), it is not a Volta melody.



Pope Paul III doesn't have a beard.

After the sack of Rome in 1527, the next twenty four popes, from Pope Clement VII to Pope Innocent XII, wore beards to commemorate the six months that the papalcy was imprisoned by Chalres V.



Pope Paul III tells William Brereton that he has created the order of the Jesuits and asks Brereton to join. Episode # 2:4

The Society of Jesus, or the Jesuits, were not created until September 1540 when Pope Paul III signed the papal bull Regimini militantis Ecclesiae. The original order was limited to 60 members with Ignatius of Loyola elected as the Superior General. Brereton was never a member and was dead before the society was even formed.



Anne appears in yellow to celebrate Katherine's death, while a somber Henry in black is at her side. Episode #2:7

It was historically recorded that both Anne and Henry wore yellow, top to toe, after hearing of the former Queen's demise in church that Sunday. Note: Yellow is the color of mourning in Spain which is appropriate for the death of a Spanish daughter. Note: Yellow is a color of cheer and joy in England.



Thomas Wyatt discovers Elizabeth Darrell, a lady in waiting to Katherine of Aragon has hanged herself after her mistress's death Episode # 2:7

In actuality, Elizabeth Darrell bore Wyatt 3 sons and outlived him. Also as a devout Catholic, she would not have committed suicide because it would be a cardinal sin and one for which she would be forever damned according to her beliefs



Princess Elizabeth Tudor joins her "papa" and "mama" in the gardens, but the child is too old to be the real princess at this time. The child actress was at least 4. Episode # 2:

Elizabeth was born in September 1533, and "mama" was beheaded in May 1536, so she was 2-1/2 when her mother was executed.



Henry Norris is shown as being the jouster who unseats Henry and causes him to be injured. Episode #2:7

There is no record of who or if there was another jouster involved. All that was said was that his horse fell and crushed him.



At various banquet scenes the song, "Mr. Beveridge's Maggot" is heard being played.
Episodes # 2:8, 2:9

The song was composed in the late 17th century over one hundred years after the events in "The Tudors" take place.



William Brereton is shown as confessing his adultery with Anne Boleyn Episode #2:8

Mark Smeaton was the only one of the 5 men accused of adultery with the queen who confessed and it is thought that was only due to the fact that he was tortured because he was a commoner. The only comment made by any of the other men regarding the charges was by Henry Norris who said that he believed that Queen Anne was innocent and that he would '...die a thousand deaths rather than ruin an innocent person.'



Jane Seymour is played by beautiful actress, Anita Briem

Historical records (and paintings) consistently refer to Jane as plain and many sources believe that the only reason Henry VIII was interested in her at all was because she provided such a stark contrast to Anne Boleyn.



There were only 4 men arrested & executed for adultery with Queen Anne. Episode # 2:9

There were 5 men. Sir Francis Weston was completely left out as a character on the series.



Thomas Cranmer was present at Anne Boleyn's execution, & instigates the crowd to kneel when she did to be beheaded. Episode # 2:10

He was walking with Alexander Ales when it happened and is reported to have sat down and wept when the hour came.



There is no mention of the Trial of Anne And George Boleyn at the Tower of London on May 15th, 1536. Episodes #2:9 and # 2:10

Anne was tried first, then George followed. The Queen behaved with a lot of dignity. There were an estimated 2000 attendees.



The Queen is executed in public. Episode #2:10

Some sources describe the execution as private. NOTE TO POSTING: The term "private" is relative. Eric Ives estimates around a 1,000 spectators including the Lord mayor & aldermen of London & 'certain of the best' craftsmen of London, Charles Brandon, Henry Fitzroy & Thomas Cromwell.



King Henry is at Lord Seymour's home at the time of Anne Boleyn's execution Episode #2:10

In fact, the King was out hunting and some sources say that Thomas Boleyn could have been with him (!)



Thomas Boleyn is incarcerated at the Tower and walks free on the day of his daughter's execution Episode #2.10

Thomas Boleyn was not incarcerated, only disgraced. This was due to his willingness to openly condemn his children Anne and George.



King Henry reacts to the birth of his daughter Elizabeth by saying to Anne, "You and I are both young and by the grace of God boys will follow." Episode# 2.03

Henry made a similar statement to the Venetian ambassador Giustiniani upon the birth of Princess Mary on February 18, 1516. In 1516, Henry was 24 years old and Queen Katherine was 30, they were both not yet past childbearing years. However, when Elizabeth was born September 7, 1533, Henry was pushing 42. Despite being older than his second wife, it is unlikely Henry would have said "you and I are BOTH young" to Anne Boleyn.



St Peter's Square in Rome already has the famous Bernini Courtyard and Columns:

The Square did not exist in that form in the 1520's and 1530's. In fact, it was totally redesigned in a typically Baroque style by Bernini between 1652 and 1667. Open courtyards which integrate directly with their surroundings via a large artery are typical of the 17th and 18th centuries. Other examples of that approach - Versailles and its gardens (also mid 17th century) and Christopher Wren's London (designs for the post fire reconstruction, 1667 onwards).



George Boleynsaffair with Mark smeaton. Which starts in Episode 2.3 when Mark mentions that Anne is not as "beautiful as her brother" hinting at his lust for the Boleyn brother. In episode 2.4 Mark Smeaton plays the violin, shirtless, and asks George Boleyn whether he plays. The answer is "all the time" and then Mark unbuttons George's shirt.

According to historians Eric Ives and David Starkey,there is not evidence to support the theory of George Boleyn being homosexual, bi-sexual or involved in a sexual relationship with any of the courtiers surrounding Anne Boleyn at her time of reign. George was known to be a bit of a "flirt" and even considered the "Ladies man". He was chivalrous and sweet, unlike the portrayal in the show.



The king visits Lady Eleanor Luke and they make love in Episode 2.3 Whilst Anne is cradling elizabeth in her arms in the other chamber, henry is embracing Lady eleanor luke. Making it around september 1533 after elizabeths birth.

the show also portrays that henry had many affairs behind annes back, particularly the scene where anne is lying in bed crying over thoughts of her husband with many naked women.



Lady Eleanor Luke is a fictional character. However, there were reports of a mysterious lady from 1534 that was reported by Chapuys to be Henry's mistress. No historian has been able to identify her and she was not Mary (Madge) Shelton who caught the wandering eye of King Henry VIII in 1535. Their affair lasted for around six months, beginning in February 1533

The truth is that Henry had only two reported mistresess while married to annen boleyn. As stated above they were a mystery woman in 1534 and Mary shelton, annes cousin inn 1535.

He later met jane seymour who had been lady in waiting to Catherine of aragon and returned home to Wolf castle when henry supposedly met Jane in 1536 not long before Annes accusations and charges began



Anita Briem tells us in an interview that she plays Jane Seymour as an eighteen year old girl.

Jane Seymour was in her mid twenties when she first caught the eye of the King. Her birth year is debated as 1508/1509, making her 26 at youngest, when she first met Henry.



The lead characters in this series are all played by handsome men/beautiful women

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